I have been going through some Quraanic translations lately. Consider the following translations of Surah Al-Qalam, 1-6:
Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
Nuun* – by oath of the pen and by oath of what is written by it. (Alphabet of the Arabic language; Allah and to whomever He reveals, know their precise meanings.) You are not insane, by the munificence of your Lord. And indeed for you is an unlimited reward. And indeed you possess an exemplary character. So very soon, you will see and they too will realise – That who among you was insane.
Yusuf Ali:
Nun. By the Pen and the (Record) which (men) write,- Thou art not, by the Grace of thy Lord, mad or possessed. Nay, verily for thee is a Reward unfailing: And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character. Soon wilt thou see, and they will see, – Which of you is afflicted with madness.
Pickthal:
Nun. By the pen and that which they write (therewith), Thou art not, for thy Lord’s favour unto thee, a madman. And lo! thine verily will be a reward unfailing. And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature. And thou wilt see and they will see Which of you is the demented.
Do you find a difference in translation?
Anyone who has studied the Arabic language can see that every word has multiple meanings. Hell, even in Urdu there are words with multiple meanings, not to mention English (try learning words for GRE, you’ll go mad!) I’m not a scholar on Arabic but I’ve seen and heard examples of such words. I’ll share one with you on an upcoming post: Rasool-e-Ummi.
So which of the above translations is correct? I mean, in which meaning did Allah reveal the Quraan?
Scholars can gather on one specific translation and declare it to be authentic. What if some scholars gather on one translation and some gather on another? Which is correct? Is the level of knowledge of these translators and scholars enough to decipher the words and intention of God?
Qayaas, as it is popularly known, or unified human opinion on a subject (”unified” might be wrong but “human opinion” isn’t), is spread widely in the Muslim world. Different problems are solved in this way by Muslims. Religion has become the thought of humans, rather than something from God.
And now we have Qayaas on the Quraan. People gather and say “Hey I think this verse means this!”
Notice the word think.
Surely when the Quraan wasn’t here, humans were thinking about idol worship (Laat, Manaat, Uzza, etc). And about Jesus and the Trinity. And Yahweh. And Rama, Krishna, Seeta, etc. They still are. Now that the Quraan is here, would Allah trust humans with thinking about the meaning of the Quraan?
And now that they have thought about it, you can see the result above.
Some will say “the Quraan says it’s an easy book to understand”. But we already see that above, don’t we? There are countless more examples that I’m too lazy to post.
In Surah-e-Namal, the tale of Suleiman and Bilquees is told in which Asif Bine Barkhia promises to bring the throne of Bilquees to Suleiman before he can bat his eyelids, just because he possesses a “little knowledge of the book”. Uh-oh, is the name Asif Bine Barkhia even in the Quraan? Whoops!
Doesn’t matter. What matters is the following verse (it’s actually not the whole verse, only the end part):
Qul Kafa Billahi Shaheedam Bayeni Wa Bayenakum Waman Indahu Ilm-ul-Kitab!
“(O’ Prophet) say: Enough for witness between me and you, is Allah and he who possesses the Knowledge of the Book.”
(Thunder: 43)
Oh-kaayy…..I know Allah and the Prophet. Someone know the third guy?
Asif Bine Barkhia can move a throne in a jiffy if he possesses some of the knowledge of the Book. And then there’s this ‘third guy’ who possesses knowledge of the whole Book. Imagine what he must be able to do. Who is he?
He must know what the Quraan means then. If the above translators could understand the Quraan, they would be moving thrones too, starting with Bush. Bring his desk, throw a shoe, send back. Repeat procedure. Make an infinite loop. America would’ve been in a load of crap…sorry, shoes by now.
So…who’s this guy I’m asking about? Does anyone know here please?
You must be wanting to ask me “Why not consult the Prophet himself?” Well, he must indeed know the knowledge in the Book as he got the Book. And he used it too. Shaq-qul-Qamar, anyone? But since he was an Ummi, I’d rather go for this third guy. Imagine having Knowledge of the Whole Book yet not being able to read and write. Must be pretty hard on the Prophet.
Don’t ask me whether this guy came to this planet or not. If he didn’t, why would Allah use his name as witness to the Holy Prophet’s prophethood in front of the non-believers?
It CANNOT be Gabriel, he couldn’t even go beyond the point of Sidra during the Prophet’s Mairaj. This guy has to be wayyy better!
But sadly, the question remains who? 
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dude, that wasnt meant for you and you know that
Haha. Khair, who are the ‘other people’?
and the ‘other people’ can include anyone who can give me the most stupid looks/comments for asking the sort of questions that I am asking you today
Well, I was referring to the YKWs.
And what questions did you ask me?
- Yes, it is simple and I don’t see why simple things cannot be formulated in many ways. In fact, if something has more than one reason or argument in favor, then it is more worthy of being called a simple conclusion than things which have no precedence in the entire Quran.
- Adi Ibn Hatim is one example who was christian and accepted Islam. There would be others of course. I never tried to remember names.
- Why not all of the books? Don’t we believe, as a general statement, in everything Allah revealed down? Perhaps we have the same idea but not articulating it well for each other.
- Taking the verse in a figurative sense is not whimsical but rather in line with Quran’s own usage of Ahl Kitab. It is called tafseer of Quran from Quran. And I repeat, there possession of teeny bit of accurate knowledge of previous scriptures is not relevant as far as the discourse in this verse is concerned. Their ability to recognize the prophet is enough of a knowledge here.
- I know the word Abeeh (literally his father) is used in the Quran. And this is the reason why I don’t take it as something which should have been a difference in translation, though thats what it is made out to be by translators unfortunately. Sometimes, it is our interpretation of the words of Quran which we make a part of so-called translations.
And yes, the inclusion of Azar in prophet’s ancestry and its consequence is a separate topic and I will not comment on this line.
- By lifetime, I mean exactly the thing which you said, that is whatever lifetime is given to you and me! I believe Allah is not going to burden me more than my capacity (Al Baqarah, Al Talaq) If something required 14 years of investigation and I only got one year to live then is it my fault? But again, I feel both of us just might think the same thing but perhaps I didn’t phrase my thoughts at your wavelength.
- About the opinion of the non-muslims you met, I cannot be so sure that it can so easily be attributed to reading a false translation. The phenomenon is bigger than just an issue of translation and I have first hand experience of it. I know people who say the same thing even though they are fluent in Arabic and don’t need translations to understand Quran. But khair, I will leave it at this.
Karachiwali,
These are the two names:
1) Uloom ul Quran by Mufti Taqi Usmani
2) Uloom ul Quran by Maulana Gauhar Rehman
The second one is my choice, if I can only read one.
And though it is somewhat different as it doesn’t take up the more academic issues like the two books above, I would suggest you to read the Muqaddima of Tafheem ul Quran by Abul Ala Maudoodi. Its english translation goes by the name “Towards understanding Quran” and is available on internet too. Do your bit of searching it out, I am being too lazy!
What exactly has no precedence in the Quraan?
Adi Ibn Hatim is one example who was christian and accepted Islam. There would be others of course. I never tried to remember names.
Son of Hatim Tai? He converted to Islam in 630 AD. So late? If he had knowledge of the book, he should’ve come before. It’s not that the Prophet wasn’t popular then, was it? Jundab Ibne Junada came from far away when the Prophet hadn’t even declared his Prophethood openly. And as far as I know, Adi was not in favor of Islam or the Prophet that he had knowledge about in his book before 630 AD.
And we do believe in all the Books but we don’t follow all of them. And the books that the Christians and Jews had, and have, are not in their original form so they can’t contain Knowledge of the Book.
Taking the verse in a figurative sense is not whimsical but rather in line with Quran’s own usage of Ahl Kitab. It is called tafseer of Quran from Quran. And I repeat, there possession of teeny bit of accurate knowledge of previous scriptures is not relevant as far as the discourse in this verse is concerned. Their ability to recognize the prophet is enough of a knowledge here.
Now you’re contradicting yourself here. I have shown above that it is knowledge from the whole book here, be it Torah or the Bible as you wish. Now, even that isn’t needed? The question is how did they recognize the Prophet here? In the beginning, the cousin of Bibi Khadijah (S.A.) did recognize the Prophet. But who else? This verse is supposed to have been revealed in the latter days.
I know the word Abeeh (literally his father) is used in the Quran. And this is the reason why I don’t take it as something which should have been a difference in translation, though thats what it is made out to be by translators unfortunately. Sometimes, it is our interpretation of the words of Quran which we make a part of so-called translations.
That was the point of this post. Thank you.
By lifetime, I mean exactly the thing which you said, that is whatever lifetime is given to you and me! I believe Allah is not going to burden me more than my capacity (Al Baqarah, Al Talaq) If something required 14 years of investigation and I only got one year to live then is it my fault? But again, I feel both of us just might think the same thing but perhaps I didn’t phrase my thoughts at your wavelength.
Or frequency.
What if something required 1 year of investigation and you got 14 to live?
It is indeed possible to research it all during one’s lifetime. I have seen a living example, that’s why I say it.
@ Brickwall
thanks…ill go with the maulana taqi usmani one, i am a lil biased towards him
- The third guy who knows everything about the book. That has no precedence in Quran.
- So we are going round in circles which suggests it is time one of us stepped out of it to help the other follow suit. So this is my last clarification in this regard to which feel free to comment and after that I would force myself to stay quiet.
To rephrase the same thing about the sense in which this verse refers to the testimony of the people with knowledge of the book and why in this case it does not necessary whether hoards or a handful of them to be visibly reciting kalma in front of Kuffar.
The intention in these lines, as the whole verse and preceding discussion suggests, is not to make a show of submitting testimonials in front of Kuffar by some converts (christ., jews). Rather, the verse only makes a demeaning comment that who cares about your denying it and whose testimony will matter? The answer is, Allah who has revealed it, knows this is the truth. So is the testimony of those who have the knowledge of previous books (meaning that those who reject it either don’t know or they are not true to their knowledge). It is an expression of Shan-e-Beniazi (for want of better term in english) and not a matter of presenting number of converts. Just like Allah SWT is not in front of their eyes, people of the knowledge of the book may as well not be there. There is little need to search for the presence of someone who was actually standing in front of them. We have no need for finding people with the perfect knowledge of previous books who had already accepted Islam.
- I will give a little clarification here about contradicting myself, I am contradicting ‘you’ and not myself as I have never been part of the discourse where you showed, in your right, that the verse refers to complete knowledge. My speaking about only a few things doesn’t mean that I am in agreement with the rest.
- Frequency or wavelenth, whatever ‘resonates’ with you : )
- For one, the lifetime thing was about peripheral things. Major things I believe should be understood on priority as I said before. The reason why I keep this distinction is inspired from Quran, Surah Taubah, where Allah SWT asks a group out of muslims should devote themselves for the acquisition of in depth knowledge of Deen. Since this injunction is fulfilled if a critical mass of such people is present in society, I don’t see any need to burden each and everyone to must acquire detailed knowledge of Deen on a priority basis.
Then about your living example, for one I don’t have the means nor do you to ascertain objectively if that someone indeed knows-it-all. That would require us to research it all first ourself and then cross check him whether he is there or not. So at most, he would be remarkably diverse than majority of the population he is compared with. But I will take your words for now. Lets say he has achieved it actually. But still it is wrong to think that since he just devoted himself and got it so should I be able to. It depends crucially upon innate factors like analytical skills and memory. There are a lot of people in the population out there who lack behind him in one or both of these factors. So it is not practically doable for everyone, just because one guy has done it, to research everything inside out in a lifetime however long.
Karachiwali:
The pleasure is mine.
The third guy who knows everything about the book. That has no precedence in Quran.
How do you know for sure? He could have been mentioned elsewhere too, with another name perhaps?
The intention in these lines, as the whole verse and preceding discussion suggests, is not to make a show of submitting testimonials in front of Kuffar by some converts (christ., jews). Rather, the verse only makes a demeaning comment that who cares about your denying it and whose testimony will matter? The answer is, Allah who has revealed it, knows this is the truth. So is the testimony of those who have the knowledge of previous books (meaning that those who reject it either don’t know or they are not true to their knowledge). It is an expression of Shan-e-Beniazi (for want of better term in english) and not a matter of presenting number of converts. Just like Allah SWT is not in front of their eyes, people of the knowledge of the book may as well not be there. There is little need to search for the presence of someone who was actually standing in front of them. We have no need for finding people with the perfect knowledge of previous books who had already accepted Islam.
I agree that it is a verse of Shaan-e-Beniazi. I never contested that. I only contested ‘many people’. If there are, where? Kisi bhi maamlay mein agar gawah diyay jaatay hain to takkar kay. Agar ek gawaah khuda hai, to doosra bhi shandar ho ga. I shall stop here, or I’ll be declared a heretic.
Frequency or wavelenth, whatever ‘resonates’ with you : )
Wavelength resonates?
Since this injunction is fulfilled if a critical mass of such people is present in society, I don’t see any need to burden each and everyone to must acquire detailed knowledge of Deen on a priority basis.
This critical mass has a habit of contradicting itself most of the time.
It depends crucially upon innate factors like analytical skills and memory.
Indeed. However, if he’s able to prove every point of his through arguments, counter-arguments, Quraan, hadees, history, etc with references, wouldn’t he become the most trustworthy source of information? After all we are trusting this critical mass above.
So this is my last clarification in this regard to which feel free to comment and after that I would force myself to stay quiet.
I respect your efforts and decision. Thanks for your comments. It was interesting chatting with you bro.
“I respect your efforts and decision. Thanks for your comments. It was interesting chatting with you bro.”
The feeling is mutual
I am proud of you guys! finally there was a discussion without humiliating anyone’s beliefs. isnt this how we should be talking, trying to understand each others point of view?
This is the first discussion I enjoyed.
Sorry.. for I am very late. Brickwall and Adnan Siddiqui have replied what I would have said. The verses you have referred in your post have no ambiguities – just different choice of words of translators. There is no ‘third guy’ in 13:43.
Just a couple of things.
Why do you want ’someone learned’ to make Quran understand to you? Why cant you do that on your own? who is stopping you? Why insist on hidden meanings?
SAWJ – “My concept of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W.) differs greatly from that of people I meet. To such an extent that I fear being declared a heretic by others. Because no one tries to understand how great he truly is! People are hell bent on declaring him a common man with mistakes, using the same Quraan that they do not understand, under the slogan “Quraan kaafi hai!””
“I” say ‘Quran kafi hay’, I say he was a human being who committed mistakes and I say he was blessed enough to receive the last scripture of God – not you and me of course. I ‘respect’ him – I do not ‘idolize’ him. ‘Quran is detailed’ and ‘Muhammad was a human’ are not mutualy inclusive. Do not think that those who believe in Quran only do not respect Prophet Muhammad.
SAWJ – “But since he (prophet) was an Ummi, I’d rather go for this third guy. Imagine having Knowledge of the Whole Book yet not being able to read and write. Must be pretty hard on the Prophet.”
Ummi does not mean ‘illiterate’. Ummi means the one who was not given any scripture before. A gentile to be more precise. I dont know why we love to portray our prophet as an illiterate.
I definitely don’t agree with most of your ideas, neither with the meaning of Ummi but I do agree that the Prophet was not illiterate. Neither am I idolizing the Prophet. I’m only praising Allah’s greatest creation.
hey postman, whats your take on the Quranic verse 33:21, the one in which Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is being referred to as “uswa-e-hasana” ..just curious
@Postman: I wanted to ask one thing:
Why do you want ’someone learned’ to make Quran understand to you? Why cant you do that on your own? who is stopping you? Why insist on hidden meanings?
How do we understand Huroof-e-Muqattiat?
SAWJ – “I definitely don’t agree with most of your ideas,”
I don’t see a sword in my hand either
SAWJ = “How do we understand Huroof-e-Muqattiat?”
Yeah what about them? Till date there is no concrete info regarding them although efforts have been made to decipher them. Does that render Quran incomplete? No. Does that render Quran insufficient? No. So what does God say about Quran?
3:37 – He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations – they are the substance of the Book – and others (which are) allegorical …
Your salvation criteria is clearly defined – No god but Allah, good deeds and belief in hereafter. You do not need haroof e maqtaat to know that now do you?
Pinky – “What about 33:21″
‘Uswae hasana’ means a good example, to be followed. Best example for what? to know the salvation criteria, to know that no partners should be attributed to God. He, as a prophet, did what he was told to do. Abolish anything that resulted in shirk.
10:15 – … Say: “It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come).”
Is it exclusive for Prophet Muhammad? No. Check this
60:04 – There is for you an (uswae hasana) excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him,
60:06 – There was indeed in them an (uswae hasana) excellent example for you to follow,- for those whose hope is in Allah and in the Last Day. But if any turn away, truly Allah is Free of all Wants, Worthy of all Praise
Yeah what about them? Till date there is no concrete info regarding them although efforts have been made to decipher them. Does that render Quran incomplete? No. Does that render Quran insufficient? No. So what does God say about Quran?
How do you know that there is no concrete info about them? And why exactly did Allah reveal them if they were not to be understood by man? If the Quraan is easy to understand, so should be the Huroof-e-Muqattiat.
3:37 – He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations – they are the substance of the Book – and others (which are) allegorical …
What’s so clear about Huroof-e-Muqattiat?
Nothing is clear about them. Are they a hindrance to you in understanding the ’substance of Quran’.. the salvation criteria?
Understanding the Quraan? Are they not a part of the Quraan, the easily understood book? Their existence proves that it’s not for man to understand the Quraan by himself, but to be taught by a qualified teacher.
Answer the question brother. Are these Quranic initials a hindrance in your understanding what God wants that you worship Him alone? Do you need a scholar to tell you that there is no god but God, that you have to do good deeds and you will be asked regarding your deeds?
No. I’m merely questioning your claim that the Quraan is an easy book. There’s nothing in this world that’s without a use. Why, then, in the scripture that is supposed to lead the world to salvation, would Allah include useless stuff that cannot be understood?
SAWJ – “No. I’m merely questioning your claim that the Quraan is an easy book”
The first two alphabets in your reply are more imprtant to me. The basic judgement criterion is well defined and does not require a certification from a very learned scholar who had his beard trimmed by the Jet Propulsion Lab’s engineers. By the way I never said ‘easy’ – I go more by the Quranic wording of ‘explained in detailed’ (6:114). Now that the you understand what the basic requiremnent of faith is and that too without a scholar, let focus more. Quran tells you how to treat parents, orphans, near relatives, slaves. It gives info regarding hajj, fasting. It tells you about forbidden things. It gives reference to historical facts though it does not divulge further on them. It tells you what Jews and christians say regarding God. This is half the Quran which you already know without any ’scholar’. How many things abut Quran are not explainable? Yes these quranic initials. What else? Certain number of verses which are ‘debated’ and might number in 60 or 70 verses. Thats mere 1% of Quran – rest is as clear as a day light. Isn’t it unfair to say Quran is not explainable?
SAWJ – “Why, then, in the scripture that is supposed to lead the world to salvation, would Allah include useless stuff that cannot be understood?”
Stuff that is useless or you till date do not know what it is for? Suppose you were living in times of Prophet and the following verses get revealed.
30:2 – The Roman Empire has been defeated-
30:3 – In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-
30:4 – Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice-
Do you say “God is really ‘high’ today”? The prophecy did not happen at that time right? If you do not know the meaning of something it does not mean that the source is doubtful. If its not known – then God will surely ‘explain’ it because this is His claim (75:19). If He does not, rest assured Quranic initials are not the thing He will ask you about on Judgement Day. By the way this should answer one of the claims that Prophet Muhammad explained Quran. He obviously did not.
Correct me if I am wrong brother. I think your main concern is not quranic initials rather the ‘person’ who will come and explain it for you? am I right?
Quran tells you how to treat parents, orphans, near relatives, slaves. It gives info regarding hajj, fasting. It tells you about forbidden things. It gives reference to historical facts though it does not divulge further on them. It tells you what Jews and christians say regarding God. This is half the Quran which you already know without any ’scholar’.
What method does the Quraan indicate for prayers? And how do you perform Hajj? How do you fast?
I’ll pause here for a moment before I reply to yur question.
First answer my last question. Do you think that there are parts of Quran that are unexplainable and that requires services of a person who would ‘eventually’ explain them? Has Prophet Muhammad totally explained Quran if God did not?
My answer is hidden in my question.
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getting bored eh?
Nope. Just waiting.
“My answer is hidden in my question”
Was it hidden in your questions when you wrote this post? Or it just transpired after discussions?
Not the question in the post. The questions about namaz, roza and hajj I asked you. Answer them please.
This question “where is salat in Quran” is asked by muslims strangely. Had they read the Quran they would have known that religious duties are way old. They were given to Prophet Abraham (2:128). Prophet Muhammad was told to follow ‘millat e ibrahim’ (22:78). People at the time of Prophet Muhammad’s appointment as the messenger of God, offered prayers. How to perform salat is not in Quran because everyone knew how to offer it – the only question was of ’shirk’. If I tell you to ‘burn a CD for me’ – you dont put the CD in the fire stove. When God states that perform salat and remember God only – He knew what He was talking about and what people were doing.
Hajj has been performed since the times of Abraham too. Remember abraha and his plan to demolish kaaba? That was before Prophet Muhammad. Quran gives guidelines on Hajj. It should be performed in sacred months (2:189), you have to refrain from sexual intercourse and misconduct (2:197), you are not allowed to hunt (5:2), you have to do the tawaf (22:29), you have to saii (2:158), Visit arafat (2:198), animal offerings (22:36).
Fasting was also given to Prophet Abraham. It has been given to generationns before Prophet Muhammad (2:183). The month desginated for muslims is Ramadan (2:185), you are allowed sexual intercourse with spouse at nights (2:187), the timinigs are mentioned in (2:187).
But I am afraid this is not the answers you are looking for. You’ll keep asking me questions and I’ll keep referring Quran to you. I can even tell you about the Quranic initials by the way. Question is – what do you want?
People at the time of Prophet Muhammad’s appointment as the messenger of God, offered prayers. How to perform salat is not in Quran because everyone knew how to offer it – the only question was of ’shirk’. If I tell you to ‘burn a CD for me’ – you dont put the CD in the fire stove. When God states that perform salat and remember God only – He knew what He was talking about and what people were doing.
Oh I’m sorry, what? They used to offer prayers? Sure, if you call dancing naked around the Ka’bah that. And with all the idols placed inside. Yeah, they prayed!
And what software or procedure would you recommend me to use for burning the CD?
Hajj has been performed since the times of Abraham too. Remember abraha and his plan to demolish kaaba? That was before Prophet Muhammad. Quran gives guidelines on Hajj. It should be performed in sacred months (2:189), you have to refrain from sexual intercourse and misconduct (2:197), you are not allowed to hunt (5:2), you have to do the tawaf (22:29), you have to saii (2:158), Visit arafat (2:198), animal offerings (22:36).
How many months are named in the Quraan? How exactly do you offer an animal? And how many vessels in the neck should be cut?
Fasting was also given to Prophet Abraham. It has been given to generationns before Prophet Muhammad (2:183). The month desginated for muslims is Ramadan (2:185), you are allowed sexual intercourse with spouse at nights (2:187), the timinigs are mentioned in (2:187).
How many people fasted before the Prophet? How exactly are we supposed to break the fast?
I can even tell you about the Quranic initials by the way. Question is – what do you want?
Their meaning. And why were they revealed?
hehe!
Here we go with the questions again. The way you are going brother… you can even put a question like this. “Where is cyber child porn mentioned in Quran? How do I know God wants me to stay away from it? What are the measures that I should take to protect myself and my children from it?” and when replied “Its not in Quran” you will say “See! Quran is not complete! cant even explain that!”
So, is it? How are we supposed to explain things not in the Quraan?
4:153 – The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” …
SAWJ – “So, is it?”
Damn! “Yo God! Why dint u put a chapter on child porn eh?”
OK Ali you win. Child porn is not mentioned in Quran. Quran is incomplete. Here take this ..
*giving you the winners trophy*
SAWJ – “How are we supposed to explain things not in the Quraan?”
In my case, I would use my head. In your case, supposedly, someone will come and explain it for you. Right?
Well, I do see that using your head is not working for you my friend. And it doesn’t necessarily have to be a chapter on child porn.
The Quraan is a miracle. It’s not the Quraan that is not “kaafi”. It’s us. We do not possess brains to decipher the word of God. That is why a teacher was sent with every scripture. If the Quraan was easy, Allah could just as well have revealed it to every human being on the planet.
Even after reading the Quraan, many questions remain unanswered. Who are we supposed to turn to, if we don’t understand? However great one’s mind is, it’s not sufficient enough.
My advice to you is “don’t restrict yourself to a nutshell, there’s a greater world out there”. Adios!
SAWJ – “Well, I do see that using your head is not working for you my friend.”
It never has for me
But I hope it does for you.
SAWJ – “The Quraan is a miracle. It’s not the Quraan that is not “kaafi”. It’s us. We do not possess brains to decipher the word of God. That is why a teacher was sent with every scripture. If the Quraan was easy, Allah could just as well have revealed it to every human being on the planet.”
NO doubt about it. Quran is a miracle. And God chooses only a select exalted few who get to receive the message. But in case of Quran, God Himself states that He will explain it – not the prophet. He should have explained the quranic initials right?
SAWJ – “Even after reading the Quraan, many questions remain unanswered. Who are we supposed to turn to, if we don’t understand? However great one’s mind is, it’s not sufficient enough.”
When God states it is explained in detail (6:114) then rest assured God deemed it fit that you can rely on this much of info. We do know that even all seas turn in to ink even then Gods words cannot finish (18:109).
SAWJ – “My advice to you is “don’t restrict yourself to a nutshell, there’s a greater world out there”. ”
My same sincere advice. The ‘third guy’ may never come.
SAWJ – “Adios!”
wassalam. Wishing you peace and happiness.
He should have explained the quranic initials right?
Yes he should have explained the initials.
When God states it is explained in detail (6:114) then rest assured God deemed it fit that you can rely on this much of info.
This is a very convincing argument indeed that the non-believers will find very useful.
The ‘third guy’ may never come.
He already did.
Waalaikum Assalam and peace and happiness to you too.
“He already did. ”
Oh sorry. Could not resist. Who was he? Did he explain the initials?
“This is a very convincing argument indeed that the non-believers will find very useful.”
Don’t trust God when He says its explained in detail?
Oh sorry. Could not resist. Who was he? Did he explain the initials?
Read the Nahj-ul-Balaghah and the Usool-e-Arba’a.
Don’t trust God when He says its explained in detail?
I do but would a non-believer?
SAWJ – “Read the Nahj-ul-Balaghah and the Usool-e-Arba’a.”
When you asked me questions – I replied from my source and gave references. When I ask you questions and seek references you tell me that I better read your books. Very constructive I must say. And is it not amazing that you have all the collection of worldy knowledge in these books and still you are asking questions?
SAWJ – “I do but would a non-believer?”
huh? Just a comment earlier when I had told you that God tells in 6:114 that Quran is explained in detail, you replied that “This is a very convincing argument indeed that the non-believers will
find very useful.” Now you are saying would the non-believers approve of it if they are told that Quran is explained in detail? Whats up bro?
And nice pic.
When you asked me questions – I replied from my source and gave references. When I ask you questions and seek references you tell me that I better read your books. Very constructive I must say. And is it not amazing that you have all the collection of worldy knowledge in these books and still you are asking questions?
Well I cannot post 300 sermons and thousands of Ahadees here can I? I only told you the names. It’s up to your choice if you want to read them or not. If you want the third guy, that is.
huh? Just a comment earlier when I had told you that God tells in 6:114 that Quran is explained in detail, you replied that “This is a very convincing argument indeed that the non-believers will
find very useful.” Now you are saying would the non-believers approve of it if they are told that Quran is explained in detail? Whats up bro?
I believe there has been a misunderstanding on the first comment. It was sarcasm bro.
And thanks for liking my pic.
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