Yes, that is my question. The Universe is billions of years old. How old then, is Allah?
Karachiwali, shush! 
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My question is a lot more interesting: When is Allah’s birthday?
*Astaghfirullah*
The Qur’an says:
GOD – there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent Fount of All Being.
He’s Ever-Living.
He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things.
He has no beginning.
I’m sorry- I can’t take the question seriously. This is what it sounds like to me:
Andy made a toy train. If the toy train is 8 years old, how old is Andy now?
sacrilige aside,
We assume the universe to be roughly a billion years old by examining particles that we IMAGINE to have been around since it’s creation. BUT we can’t use any scientific, or even spiritual method to get any answer to your question because honestly, how do you measure the age of the Being that created Time?
Yeah :o)
Sum up your answers and explain to me!
He has no beginning, He has no age, He’s Ever-Living, Ever-Lasting, what to explain!
But He was there before the beginning of the Universe and He will be after it ends. That means He has an ‘age’ with respect to the Universe.
Yes, but He has no beginning and no end!
if you compare with numbers, if you go below 0 and into minus where would you stop? Where do you start counting? It goes to -infinity right and you can count numbers up to infinity right?
So why did Allah mian suddenly choose to make a Universe after infinite time?
Another bit of sacrilege coming up, be prepared:
Because (astaghfirullah) He was bored?
The Universe was created to fulfill a purpose, to show his attributes of never-ending perfection to the angels, man and jinn.
Hay Ali, as being a human i don’t think so any of us have such massive knowledge to say something like this about Almighty Allah. So we should avoid such kind of debates, because these age factors matters for us ordinary humans not for Almighty Allah.
*His
its a question I’ve thought of quite often –
Man is limited to his material senses – if we ever reach a point where we can understand the complete absence of space and time we cannot begin to understand Allah’s age.
I think it is the practice of “irfan” that can possible bring u closer to finding the answer.
sana
@Hira:
@Siras: But why so late?
@Akhbari Reporter: Avoidance will only lead to absence of knowledge. What if an atheist asks you this?
@Sana: Man can increase his limit. The thinking power can be increased by pondering over such things.
@Sana and Akhbari Reporter: Welcome to my blog!
How do you know it was late?
What I’m trying to say is, how can you know when His act of creation began?
He is bounded by no time.
His act of creation is bounded by no time it has no beginning just like He has no beginning right?
I think my comments might start to make some people’s heads spin now.. so apologies beforehand
He is bounded by no time. But the Universe is. And it’s a lot less than infinity, which you stated above.
So infinity minus the life of the Universe leaves much time for Allah to be not doing anything.
YES, but how do you know HE was doing nothing?
How do you know he was doing something?
If he was doing something “before” the Universe, that gives birth to “time before time”.
Okay fine, i give up!
It’s a simple case of coming up with an explanation thats well beyond our capability. I mean, we can’t even reason without the notion of time. Given, universe was created at some point after the creation of time. You can’t really go beyond that … for something that is not limited to our dimension, time is not an object and is rather a normal thing they could traverse around at ease.
my lips are zipped!
and eid mubarak
Dude yours is a simple case of giving up “before time”!
Think!
You too, Siras.
@KW: Thanks, and Eid Mubarak to you too!
No eid Mubaraks from me! Assalamo Alaikum!
And the answer is simple. your frame of reference has time bound into it. Wallaho Alam bis sawab, but imagine it this way…
A *being* that can *what ever the verb is for sort of appear* out of nowhere, but not just to you but many people in different time frames at the same *instant* according to that *being*. In other words He does everything all at once. Time is the difference between the occurrences of two events. that means if you tried to calculate the time of any two events outside the universe, meaning done by Allah you would get the same value which could be termed as infinity. Thus for Him something happening in 10000BC Greece and me typing right now would happen at the same *time*. Which in turn means He can traverse time at will and knows everything which is happening in the universe. I t is easily explain with a folded cloth, if you drive a needle into a folded cloth you can touch multiple points at the same occurrence which is if unfolded would be linear multiple points. Now imagine time as that cloth which appears to us as unfolded cloth but to Him with infinite (numbers between a and be can be infinite) number of folds and an infinitely long needle.
Watch Star Trek Much? Watch Any episode relating to the Qs
I’m sorry, Allah travels?
Safiullah has given a good scientific explanation to your very scientific question. I agree with him.
I approach this question with the hypothesis that: “There is a god who was born at some point of time and some people believe he exists safe and healthy, and would remain so till perhaps ever”.
If god is born at some point of ‘time’, then I would say that this god can not control time. Time is then independent if god (as it existed before god) and is more mysterious than god itself. Moreover, god then can not know for sure what used to happen before him, and what would happen as he lives. I would say that this god is subservient to time, he can not control the happenings in time, nor can he know for sure what is going to happen next. He may even be fearing his end; for if something is born and bred, and as science says that everything is subject to weathering over time, then it has has an end.
Now, if I believe that god is independent of time and he controls the happenings of time, and he knows for sure all events of time, then I am ’sure’ he was not born at any point of time. I would say Time was born at some point of God. This ‘point’ was a point of His ‘Will’.
My god is Allah.
Point of will? Explain!
No, it doesn’t give birth to time before time, because time came into being when he commanded it to!
I just read the comments by Safiullah and Adnan and they’ve kind of got it, right?
Kind of. And the word “before” indicates relativity, “before the start of the Universe” indicates some point in “time” before the birth of time. Confusing and crappy, right?
SAWJ you should have an adequate answer by the end of this conversation. i think he’d need a new babysitter after your next reply
I’m not replying anymore to him. I’m letting a professional fight a professional!
And, I’m just going to wait for the answer!
LOL!
I’m waiting for your answer Ali
Keep waiting!
Who’s waiting for what again?!
Safiullah does a good job of explaining it. Watch some star trek and you’ll know what we’re talking about. Our knowledge and capabilities are extremely limited. For all we know, there are parallel universes out there in different dimensions and here we are totally oblivious to it. Your question, inherently, is flawed since it asks “how old” is our God which basically is asking for something that cannot be quantified or explained. Allah has been around forever as we’re told, before the very notion of time ever existed. If you’re so interested, take some meta-physics in your post-grad, it’s a fascinating subject I tell you.
The question isn’t flawed. It is just phrased so as to get an answer out of you.
oh well thats how agnostics and atheists ask questions….regardless of how flawed it might seem to us.
and SAWJ, take something related to Quantum Fluctuation, that might actually be interesting
I’ll try but I cannot promise!
Well I got to take only four subjects during my Grad studies! I was thinking of taking up chinese courses.
I think its time I learned a new language, one which is not a computer language.
Besides I was reading TIMES and I came across this.
Those who are optimists are learning french, and those who are pessimists are learning Chinese, because the reign of english may very well be over.
What’s this got to do with Allah’s age?
Dude I thought we were done discussing that. The point was that you could not calculate it. What more do you want. Tum murghi ki aik taang kion le ke baithe ho?
And I thought we were discussing what subjects to take in grad school.
Where in the above discussion did we start discussing what subjects to take in grad school?
I TOLD YOU YOU NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS!!
You make people run around in circles in their heads and then laugh at them.
SAWJ, you are a sadist.