Let’s say, there’s an engineer who designs a satellite. The life of the satellite is long enough and he sends it into space with 100 years of fuel. There’s no chance that the satellite will get destroyed and not be able to complete it’s 100 years. But after 25 years, the engineer dies!
Now the question is: Will the satellite stop working with the engineer’s death and not complete it’s 100 years?
If you think yes, you don’t possess the IQ to read on. Please stop reading right here!
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If you thought no, here’s the real question:
Allah designed this Universe to perfection, there’s no chance of it getting destroyed by external force. He wrote all that is to happen in the Loh (book) with the Qalam (pen) [I hope you do know about the Loh-o-Qalam]. But after 25 years of creating this Universe, Allah died. This Universe will work perfectly as designed till the day it’s supposed to die. Is there any proof that Allah is still alive?
SAWJ’s Note: Get everyone you can to answer this question. Save my beliefs please! No lectures, prove it to me! Okay I was playing with you guys when I typed that but still, do try your luck at answering the question.
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First tell me whether the answer is based on math. Because if it is, there isn’t a remote chance i’ll be able to reach the answer.
This also applies to physics.
*chuckles*
I don’t really agree with the description of the analogy you have given, but never mind, that would change course of the discussion. (I am notorious already for making things more complicated.)
Okay, the system is independent of Allah. Now, if A is independent of B, does it really matter to A if B exists or not? Or looking at it in another way, would A even know that there is something called B? Nope, because A does not depend on B, and thus can live and function without ever knowing B.
So the only way in which A can be aware of B is when B will explicitly interfere with A.
The only way of interfering with this universe will be to change its rules, and that means accessing the Loh itself. I think we can safely assume that only Allah can access it (if He’s alive).
Now destiny (written in the Loh) can be changed only through the power of prayer (as told by the Prophet (peace be upon him) ), and who else is there other than Allah to listen to our prayers?
Bottomline: we pray for something, it gets accepted, the Loh is changed. Do the math.
If, on the other hand, the prayer is not accepted, then again there are alternatives; that is, something bad that was destined to happen to you will not happen as a compensation of your prayer not getting accepted. Again, the Loh will be changed.
Does this make any sense now?
Makes absolute sense and is almost the answer. Sometimes the prayers are not accepted and the destiny is not changed. Or maybe, it was bound to be in that destiny but we didn’t know it. And we kept praying for it.
The answer is something that ‘definitely’ changes destiny!
Well done!
@Hira: It’s neither maths nor physics!
just the fact that man- as God’s creation has been given the ability to think and choose thus mould his own destiny should be the reason God still exists, no?
And once we’ve truly accepted that man CAN think, and thus CAN make a choice about his destiny and thus definitely be able to change it shows that the Loh is changeable, and that God is editing it, and thus God has to exist.
IF the writ was unchangeable the purpose of MAN being given a mind would be redundant.
Whatever a man’s destiny is, is written in the Loh. In reality, the Loh does not force a man to abide by it, rather it only contains what a man will do and face during his lifetime.
Man can think but what he thinks is already in the Loh, so the Loh won’t change.
So I managed to find the answer that resembled the one in your mind.
Will wait for your detailed post about the answer.
Oh come on man! I see where you’re going with this, and that is SUCH A LOAD OF CRAPPP! On the one hand you’re asking the question from an atheist point of view, then on the second you are all too willing to accept that a prayer can change the Loh (which, by the way, is the Law if you look at the broader definition)?? Again.. BULLSHIT!
And don’t give me any of Descartes BS either, okay?
I’ll just add to what Saadat said, and say that you’re showing signs of becoming a NUST instructor (Nazeer Alam maybe?
) who want you to write the answer THEY think is right. But again, I’ll just have to wait for your next post for this.
@Hira: Your comment just reminded me of Sarah McLachlans song “Dear God”. She’d talking to God (duh!), and a line in that song goes “Did you make mankind; After we made you?”
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Abe Ulloo Kay Pathay, I only said that to guide him towards my point.
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Kinda sounds like Aaloo ke Parathay! Yum!
Next post is here!
I need to go through the comments once I get some sleep.. will come back to this later.
Sure. But it’ll be very confusing, I assure you!
you took enough time to answer and I uselessly visited your site thrice in a day. Now give the me the money of my bandwidth back!!
Man I visited your blog too!
hehhe. Shukriya Janab. It was an interesting post indeed. Hope you will come up something similar in future too.
And Shukria for your kind wishes and prayers regarding my accident. Jazak Allahu Khairan.
take care
Most welcome bro!
Thanks for visiting, had a really good time discussing it with you.
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Abay answer kab milay ga???!!!!! :@
The next post is the answer gadhay.
De to diya!
Well that was quite interesting to read and quite thought provoking too!
Though there was one person up there who was very confused and kept confusing me too!
Who?
I’d rather not say, don’t want to be mean!
Email me, I want to know!
oooooooohhhhh…. rrryyyyyttttt =D
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I think there’s some flaw in question. Man is not perfect Allah is.
Also, in my opinion, you took Loh a bit up … Loh is not Allah
Salaam,
Okay, the question is: “Is Allah still alive or not?”
Qura’n gives us the answer:
- ” Allah! there is no Allah but He ― the living, the Self-subsisting, eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permits? He knows what (appears to His creatures as) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He wills. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).”
Al-Baqara [2:255]
- “Allah! there is no Allah but He ― the Living, the Self-Subsisting eternal.”
Aal-e-Imran [3:2]
- “Allah, the eternal, Absolute;”
Al-Ikhlas [112:2]
So now the question is how to make an atheist believe in the divinity and authenticity of Quran.
Let us apply the theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown about 1400 years ago. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God.
There are many scientific facts in Qur’an. You can go to the following links for further info
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_57.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
Take care!
@Asma: Man is a perfect creation of Allah, perfect in the sense ke He made Man just the way he wanted to.
“Loh is not Allah”
Explain your point girl!
@Sohaib: Man I don’t know what to say, I’m falling off my chair laughing!
SUPARCO has had a bad effect on you!
I’ve already posted my answer man. It’s the post right after this one!
No its probably the winter of Munich
LOL!
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Just prove to me you are not an arse hole!
I’m not you. Is that good enough?
@SAWJ:
Kyun bacho~ ko darraa rahe ho yaar?
wo toh ‘apni hi dhun main chale hain; duniya se kia lena hai..?’ (song from Daud)
I’m not sure if it’s out-of-the-track thing to say, but, they say ‘What is present must have ‘come into being’ at some ‘point of time’.
Indeed. My next post will address some issues.
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